Quick update

Ballet
Posted on 06/26/2012 by rhiannon_666
Hey BBBakers!

First off the bat, I'd like to welcome our new members. We look forward to getting to know you and your baked noms!

Our theme contest closes this Saturday, so be sure to get in your layers-themed baked goods before the deadline. Don't forget to tag your entry with our !theme post tag and make sure your entry has the complete recipe provided, or else your entry won't count. This is the first month you're eligible to win prizes, so let's launch this with a bang!

If you're new and have no idea what our theme contests are, make sure you swing by our user info page and have a read.

If you're new and you also haven't read our rules, check those out, too. Every time we're on the front page we get an influx of new members, and with it a whole bunch of posts in the queue that break rules (usually it's for too large or too many pictures outside a cut) and have to be rejected. I know it can be incredibly discouraging to have your first post rejected (mine was when I first joined this community!) so please make sure you're familiar with our rules.

Another thing, just because this has happened with an increasing frequency lately: if you message me with questions, for help or for matters regarding the community, please check your privacy settings. If you've set it so that only friends can message you, I can't reply to you even though you've messaged me. If your journal is entirely friends only and you've not regularly posted in the community, I have no way to contact you. This is unbelievably frustrating for me, but even worse for you as you'll never get a reply to your question.

This goes for winners of the theme contests as well. If I can't contact you, I can't give you a prize.

And last on the list, thanks all for participating in the last poll regarding community email. The result was fairly even, as were the comments and a lot of you made good points for and against. In the end, I've decided not to go ahead with a routine email. I'll only send out an email for something important, such as a rule change (so next to never). For those that wanted a roundup of BBBs content, I encourage you to follow and make use of the BBB Facebook page.
decemberthirty 26th-Jun-2012 02:50 pm (UTC)
Hi! I have a question about the rules for the theme contests. Do the recipes need to be our own, or at least modified from their source? I baked a cake recently that would suit the layers theme, but I just used a recipe that I found on another blog. I'm not sure whether it would be appropriate to enter the contest with someone else's recipe! I looked at the rules on the user info, but couldn't find an answer to this question. Thanks!
rhiannon_666 26th-Jun-2012 03:30 pm (UTC)
The recipe can be from anywhere. While some people do make up their own recipes, most don't. It's almost impossible to bake something that hasn't been published online or elsewhere. I've baked things in the past thinking I was being original and later found the same concept elsewhere! If you've used someone elses original recipe, it's always nice to credit it. Most recipes you find on blogs will be either entirely copied from another source, or at least adapted from.

You can't copyright a recipe, so there's no problem blogging someone elses recipes. What's more, I couldn't possibly hope to police it if that were the case. So if you'd like to credit someone else for it being their recipe, that's lovely. But there's no rules about it.
decemberthirty 26th-Jun-2012 06:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying this! I was definitely planning to give credit and link to the original blog post, and I will do just that.
phyllis7609 26th-Jun-2012 08:55 pm (UTC)
>>It's almost impossible to bake something that hasn't been published online or elsewhere.

True dat. I was all excited thinking I invented a new cookie- peanut butter oatmeal. The idea occured to me one day when I made up my own peanut butter oatmeal for my kids for breakfast one day. I had never, ever seen, tasted or heard of a PB oatmeal cookie before so I made a batch as an expiriment and they were awesome. Come to find out, the entire planet has heard of them and calls them "monster cookies." Pft.
layers_of_eli 26th-Jun-2012 03:46 pm (UTC)
Just to add a note -- you can't copyright a recipe, but the wording is copyrighted, so if you post someone else's recipe, just adapt it in your own words and, yes, give credit.

Personally, as a blogger, even if someone copies and pastes my recipe, as long as they give me credit and I can see that they're sharing it because they made it (e.g. they have their own pictures, their own stories about it), I don't get nitpicky about them using the wording of my recipe. But some people might :)
rhiannon_666 26th-Jun-2012 03:59 pm (UTC)
As far as I'm aware, speaking legally (I'm sure this differs from country to country, though) you can't even copyright the directions as they are categorised under "procedure, process or system", which cannot be copyright. If someone comes up with a unique system, they can patent it and only then is it against the law to copy. It is only photos, chef's notes and any other illustrative descriptions that can be copyrighted. When I was blogging for Melbourne University we did a course on copyright and blogging -- the laws are completely subjective and annoying, but regarding recipes it's free for all.

For me, it's totally an ethical issue. I think copying out someone elses recipe and not crediting is rude and lazy. But there's nothing legally to stop anyone from publishing someone elses recipes.
layers_of_eli 26th-Jun-2012 04:05 pm (UTC)
It's not the technique/method that's copyrighted, but the actual wording itself, as an article or book would be. I've also read, though, that to make a case of it, it needs to be particularly unique wording (as in, many bloggers write recipes in their own voice.) I'm pretty sure of this, though, since I've made many a copyright claim based on people thieving recipes and reposting them on Pinterest (thankfully the character limit has solved this) or spam blog sites -- basically, I'll report it anytime it's a deliberate attempt to circumvent my blog and not just to personally share a recipe the person enjoyed.
decemberthirty 26th-Jun-2012 06:00 pm (UTC)
Thanks. I appreciate your input.
layers_of_eli 26th-Jun-2012 03:49 pm (UTC)
Another theme question: lonnnng ago (who knows when -- but it's definitely been years) there was a theme contest I was involved in and someone else reposted a recipe they had posted before the theme contest began. When the question was brought up if that were allowed or not, the community decided yes. If that's the case, I have some layer recipes I can repost.

However, I thought then (and I think now) that that was the wrong decision. If we're thinking about the community as a reservoir of information in addition to a dynamic discussion group, it's lame to have repeats of posts, and I can also see it getting out of hand (I wouldn't repost 20 recipes, but for instance, I do have a ton of "layer" recipes and I could).

Sooo I say all this to ask... what's the rule about reposting old recipes during theme contests?
rhiannon_666 26th-Jun-2012 04:04 pm (UTC)
That must have been ages ago, cause when I joined the comm the theme contests stopped, so at least 4-5 years ago?

Anyway, short answer is no.

I have no problem with someone reusing a recipe if they've baked it again for the challenge and there's new photos and etc. But flat out reposting is definitely a no. Community dynamics aside, the point of a theme challenge is to get people thinking about the theme and challenging themselves in the kitchen to produce something new and inspired during the month of the challenge. Something baked at another point in time is not that.
epic_cakes 26th-Jun-2012 10:29 pm (UTC)
Now I'm worried... the only recipe needed for my trifle was the creme patisserie and I put that recipe in, but the rest of it was just jelly, box mix cake, raspberries and whipped cream :/ is that ok?
rhiannon_666 27th-Jun-2012 02:26 am (UTC)
Box mixes are totally fine to use. As long as you've described what you've done and said what you used, as you have, it's fine. Don't worry, I read it as they're approved and if they don't fit the bill I will remove the tag and let you know.
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